VTF-3 HO is ready for shipping

[jbhungvt]

Finally, for those that have been waiting for the HO,
I just received an email from HSU saying they are ready to ship the HO.
this is what is in the email
"We are ready to ship your pre-order. Please call us to
confirm if you still want it or not.

Regards,
Alan
HSU Research
714 666-9260"

[JHixson]

I expect you have a low preorder number. But I am glad to hear things are beginning to move again.

[iiwane]

I just got my call. Shipping out today. Neighboors are gonna hate me even more, lol.

[spyboy]

I received my call as well. Alan is awfully nice. Now all I need is some extra muscle power to get things set up http://www.hsuresearch.com/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif

[JHixson]

Does anyone know how many preorders there were in 2005. I kept procrastinating and ordered mine in the first part of January.

[lradden]

OK all you guys that got calls what are your order numbers?

[TACO666]

Can U tell me what the dimensions of the box are?
I'll be picking mine up and may need to borrow a bigger rig to get that monster in.

[Pete_Hsu]

Ask, and you shall receive! :)

I'm not sure exactly what dimensions are for the box though, not a huge amount larger than the enclosure dimensions.

http://www.hsuresearch.com/forum/showpost.php?p=18898&postcount=9

[xcjago]

You guys who are picking these up need to give us a full report with photos!!!!!!!!! :D

[spyboy]

lradden, my order number was xx0565.

I might also mention that while the Australian site lists the shipping weight as 111 pounds, according to the ever helpful Alan, the actual shipping weight of the '3HO is 100 pounds. And, to respectfully try to expand on what Peter Marcks said about shipping box dimentions. It would be good to allow a good 3 inches to each dimension for the size of the shipping box. If I heard Alan correctly, they will arrive double boxed.

Peter, please correct me if I am incorrect about double boxed http://www.hsuresearch.com/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif

[iiwane]

Yup double boxed. Actual shipping weight from the fedex site is 92 for the sub and 23 for the turbo charger.

[DrewB]

Just got off the phone with Alan. My HO should be in my hands by mid next week! :cool:

PS. Preorder number is 5053

[iiwane]

I was 5052, it should be here tomorrow

[DrewB]

Peter, will Dr. Johnson re-review the HO?

[iiwane]

got mine, can't wait to set it up. I had it delivered to my work, not sure if it will fit in my car lol.

[ThomasV]

Give us your impressions as soon as possible.

Also, where do you live and when are you "not" home ;).

[xcjago]

Yes Please!!

[iiwane]

First impressions, lol. Where to start. I upgraded from a vtf-2 mk 1, so the difference is insane. All of this in a apartment lol. No base complaints from my old sub, maybe I will get some with the new. The main test dvd was flight of the phoenix. I have the amp gain turned up about a quarter of the way. It felt as if the whole room was pressurized, as if I was in the plane during the crash, lol. Bass is as expected, well worth the price tag. I don't know what else to say. With the turbo on it it is about as tall as my couch. I knew it was big, but I did not realize it was this big.

[jbhungvt]

First impressions, lol. Where to start. I upgraded from a vtf-2 mk 1, so the difference is insane. All of this in a apartment lol. No base complaints from my old sub, maybe I will get some with the new. The main test dvd was flight of the phoenix. I have the amp gain turned up about a quarter of the way. It felt as if the whole room was pressurized, as if I was in the plane during the crash, lol. Bass is as expected, well worth the price tag. I don't know what else to say. With the turbo on it it is about as tall as my couch. I knew it was big, but I did not realize it was this big.

There is a "lol" in every other sentence...I don't know if you're being serious about the output/capability of the new HO or not. I'm hoping you're serious:-)

When you have some time, could you do some music listening?
thanks

[JonnyOzero3]

I think he's giddy with pleasure :)

Wish I wasn't leaving the country next week...I can't get my stuff sent out until I get back :(

[iiwane]

Haha, I just realized that jbhungvt. I am serious. I'll try to find my old hsu bass test cd. BTW Peter was I supposed to get a new one with this sub? Won't be able to do any listening tonight, getting home late. I'll post somemore when I get a chance.

[lradden]

OK I just got the email that my HO is ready for shipping. My order number is 06095 and I ordered January 11th.


Well I guess I'll have to sell my current VTF-3 MK2 + turbo to make room for the HO+turbo.

[lradden]

I Just realized something. The last person to post their order number in this thread was iiwane with number 5052. I got the call and I'm 6095 so there's a hugh gap. Anyone know how the numbering works.

I ordred Jan 11th when did the rest of you guys who got the call order? How about those of you who haven't received a call when did you order?

[adriankelly]

Hey radden I would be very interested in purchasing that turbo .

[lradden]

Hey radden I would be very interested in purchasing that turbo .

Sent you a pm.

[JHixson]

I Just realized something. The last person to post their order number in this thread was iiwane with number 5052. I got the call and I'm 6095 so there's a hugh gap. Anyone know how the numbering works.

I ordred Jan 11th when did the rest of you guys who got the call order? How about those of you who haven't received a call when did you order?

I got the email the same day I am 6090 I think I ordered on the 10th. Bad timing as I am goining on vacation and no one will be here to take delivery. I called and told them that I definitely wanted it and would call and confirm late next week or when I return on the 18th.

Maybe the the 6090 was the 90th sub sold and not the 90th HO preordered. I have got to say I am getting excited already my old sub died a couple months ago.

[Hulk]

I'm 6166 and ordered in April

[lradden]

I got the email the same day I am 6090 I think I ordered on the 10th. Bad timing as I am goining on vacation and no one will be here to take delivery. I called and told them that I definitely wanted it and would call and confirm late next week or when I return on the 18th.

Maybe the the 6090 was the 90th sub sold and not the 90th HO preordered. I have got to say I am getting excited already my old sub died a couple months ago.

I got home late yesterday and by the time I saw the email it was too late to call. I'll be calling first thing Monday morning. I wonder how many subs they have in this shipment?

[xcjago]

Well, they have 200 drivers, so hopefully they have that many subs.

[Pete_Hsu]

Dear Drew,

Peter, will Dr. Johnson re-review the HO?

I'm not so sure about this, because Dr. Johnson no longer has the review unit in his possession. Once we get closer to meeting demand and satisfying existing orders during the year, we may be able to give more thought to this.

Sincerely,

[samandnoah]

I'm 6133, ordered at the end of Jan. I have not received a note, yet. :)

Rich

[DrewB]

Thanks Peter. Maybe Ilkka will be able to get his hands on one.

[Pete_Hsu]

Yes, but probably not for his next measurement session later this year. We still have a lot of work to do filling existing orders on the 3 HO waiting list, and still need to receive MBM-12!

[craigsub]

Peter ... Any news for those of us who already have units and are waiting to swap them out ? :)

[Pete_Hsu]

Good afternoon Craig,

You guys were supposed to have been contacted by Alan to discuss the exchange. Please give us a call on Monday!

Sincerely,

[craigsub]

Good afternoon Craig,

You guys were supposed to have been contacted by Alan to discuss the exchange. Please give us a call on Monday!

Sincerely,

Thanks, Peter ... Looking forward to finalizing the review !

If you are interested, we could look at also testing the VTF-3 Mark II ... Then the guys could look at the difference between it and the HO, and get a pretty good idea how the HO stacks up against the other subs in Ilkka's library.

From what Ilkka found on the VTF-3 Mark II, if the HO is a signifigant improvement over the Mark II ... it could be a major value play.

[lradden]

Peter & Craig I'd love to see the MK2 tested along with the HO. Both subs with and without the HO turbo.

[Pete_Hsu]

Thanks for the words of encouragement, guys! :)

The VTF-3 HO/t excels at moving lots of air cleanly at very low frequencies. And don't forget the MBM-12, which should really take sound quality and mid/upper bass impact to new levels for music or movie systems.

Sincerely,

[Ilkka]

Thanks Peter. Maybe Ilkka will be able to get his hands on one.
I already asked Peter if this can be done, but unfortunately HSU can't ship an unit to Europe yet. They need to first catch up with all the pre-orders in the US. Hopefully Craig can do some testing with his units.

[Pete_Hsu]

I was under the impression that Craig was busy working on a Bacon Lettuce Tomato sandwich or something like that :D

[ThomasV]

I would really like to see some Ilkka and Craigsub reviews.

That along with some user feedback will be everything a guy can look for until it gets to his home.

[lradden]

Hey guys I haven't seen this mentioned anywhere, but how much is shipping on the HO +turbo?

[ScoobyDufus]

Hey guys I haven't seen this mentioned anywhere, but how much is shipping on the HO +turbo?


Normally $100 for the HO and $20 for the turbo. During the preorder, it's 50% off, so the total shipping for both is $60.

[lradden]

Thanks Scooby,
I called Hsu and told them I want the HO+turbo and my order will ship out tomorrow. I guess won't be able to compare my VTF-3 MK2 with the HO, since I sold the MK2 this morning. It's a really great sub and I'm going to miss it.:(

[Pete_Hsu]

If I recall correctly, shipping is around $95 for VTF-3 HO and $25 for turbocharger. So Scooby had it right it total, I think! :)

Sincerely,

[DrewB]

Wife just called and said the HO was delivered a few minutes ago! :)

[Pete_Hsu]

Drew, your comment just had me laughing out loud! Just picturing your wife calling you to let you know that your HO is ready, pretty funny :)

Enjoy

[DrewB]

We have a three week old baby boy so I don't know when I'm gonna truly get things up and running. I did take some baby steps tonight and had my 2 year old daughter "help" me unpack the HO. Excellent packing guys, double-boxed and well padded indeed. Build quality appears to be exellent and is very similar to my Velo - clean lines and perfectly rounded edges. Very sturdly looking rubber feet as well (although the rubber feet on my velo are quite flimsy!).

I was also surprised at how "small" it is...I was really expecting a behemoth but must say that it's a nice size. I can easily see that adding a second one in a larger room won't be a big deal.

Anyway, to have some sense of comparison, I will probably run my trusty Velodyne CT-150 for another week or so and do some basic measurements and offer some anecdotal impressions - then I'll open the stage to the HO. Looking to Craig and the more techy guys to put up the fancy graphs and what have you. Also hope you single and childless blokes out there can opine a lot faster cause right now I'm knee deep in diapers! :)

[Pete_Hsu]

Thank you for the kind feedback so far, Drew! I suggest that you order a second port plug, because you don't want some apple jacks to end up in those huge ports :D

Best to you and your family!

Sincerely,

[ThomasV]

Thank you for the kind feedback so far, Drew! I suggest that you order a second port plug, because ...

I thought Peter was about to recommend a 2nd port plug for the kid with all the diapers ;) .

[xcjago]

LOL!

[lradden]

Quick question for Peter or anyone else who'd like to answer. I know the HO tuning in max output mode is 22Hz(no plug) and with the turbo and set to max ext mode(obviously still no plug) the tuning drops to 16Hz. Has anyone tried their HO with one port plugged (no turbo) and max extension mode? That would still be 16Hz tuning, but I guess with less SPL and still reach an in room of 12Hz(room dependent of course)?

Also anyone who recently recieved their HO have an update on sound?

Sorry for the questions but my HO won't arrive until Tuesday :( and I'm dying for info.

[spyboy]

lradden

Couple of things. The dimentions of the cartons are 33X23X27. The cartons for the Turbos are 21X23X23. On the sub box it says 16Hz response in max extension mode with 4db less output. Haven't opened yet so I don't know what it says about the effect of the port plug, except from prior knowldege, to increase port noise at high volume/low frequency. Don't know if output is further reduced by plugging a port.

Out of curiosity, why would you want to plug a port?

I don't expect to be able to report on SQ till late Monday or mid-day Tuesday. I also don't expect to be blown away with SQ. I have 2 other subs, and they both sound quite good to me, so not being a golden ear, I doubt I can tell you what I think you want to know, which is, does the HO sound at least as good as the 3MKII?

I'm looking forward to what YOU have to say about SQ http://www.hsuresearch.com/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif

PS

Didn't Peter address port plugging in one of the HO threads?

[lradden]

Thanks spyboy, I don't want to plug a port I was just curious. I'm sitting here waiting for Tuesday and just had a few quesions rolling around in my head. Having owned dual VTF-3 MKII and a MKII with a turbo bought off ebay I'm very familair with the MKII sound so I should be able to tell between the MKII and the HO.

Please forgive my questions I just sold my last MKII and I'm subless until Tuesday.

[spyboy]

You know the old saying, "It's better to ask forgiveness than permission." http://www.hsuresearch.com/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif

I realize you are suffering withdrawl symptoms, and I understand and no forgiveness is required for those suffering subwoofer withdrawl. The dude with 2 SVS B4/Plus, and 8 16-46's already coined the phrase, "Hi, my name is Frank and I am a bassaholic." Meanwhile, short of opening the boxes, if there is anything else I can tell you, please don't hesitate. I am old and creaky and will need help unpacking and setting up. FYI, Fed Ex called at 7:30 AM to make sure someone was going to be home to sign. I wasn't aware that they did that.

[lradden]

Thanks for understanding, it's going to be a loooong weekend. Hey so you got your HO+turbo today, that's the first time I ever heard of FedEx calling to confirm that someone was going to be home for a delivery. Usually they just come out and if you're not home tough luck you have to pick it up or wait for them to come again.

If I had mine and I had to wait to set it up it would be killing me. Hopefully you can get someone over ther eto help you out. Heck if you were within CT I'd come over and help.

Thanks for the dimensions of the cartons. Wow the HO box is huge. The turbo I had was new in the box and I was surprised at how large the box was, but once you see how they pack it you'll understand why the box is so large.

[DrewB]

According to the manual:

To operate the HO in max output mode, pull out the port plug and set the bass extension switch to 22hz/2 ports open with no turbo position.

To operate the HO in max extension mode without turbo, plug up one of the ports and switch the bass extension switch to 16hz/1 port open or with turbo.

To operate the HO in max extension mode with turbo, leave both ports open and couple the turbocharger to both ports and flip the bass extension switch to 16hz/1 port open or with turbo.

Note: Make sure the bass extension switch is in the correct position. USING THE WRONG SWITCH POSITION CAN DAMAGE YOUR SUBWOOFER AND VOID THE WARRANTY!

[spyboy]

lradden, actually, my HSU order weighed 230 pounds. Um, I supersized my purchase. Candy said, "You must have a really big room." Well, I want this is to be my last subwoofer purchase http://www.hsuresearch.com/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif

Yes, it is too bad you are not closer. We could have had a ball with this.

[lradden]

Wow! two HO+turbos. How large is your room? Mine is 13x24 and dual VTF-3 MKII played really loud and preasuruzed the room really well. What I wanted was more extension so that's why I went for the HO. If a single HO isn't loud enough my last sub purchase will be a second HO+turbo. l

[Pete_Hsu]

Quick question for Peter or anyone else who'd like to answer. I know the HO tuning in max output mode is 22Hz(no plug) and with the turbo and set to max ext mode(obviously still no plug) the tuning drops to 16Hz. Has anyone tried their HO with one port plugged (no turbo) and max extension mode? That would still be 16Hz tuning, but I guess with less SPL and still reach an in room of 12Hz(room dependent of course)?

Also anyone who recently recieved their HO have an update on sound?

Sorry for the questions but my HO won't arrive until Tuesday :( and I'm dying for info.

Good morning to you, Legairre. Yes, running the VTF-3 HO with one port plug will give the lower port tuning, but with some reduced output near port tuning versus turbocharger. At 16Hz, a single VTF-3 HO/t will move as much low turbulent air as TWO VTF-3 HO with port plugs.

[Pete_Hsu]

According to the manual:

To operate the HO in max output mode, pull out the port plug and set the bass extension switch to 22hz/2 ports open with no turbo position.

To operate the HO in max extension mode without turbo, plug up one of the ports and switch the bass extension switch to 16hz/1 port open or with turbo.

To operate the HO in max extension mode with turbo, leave both ports open and couple the turbocharger to both ports and flip the bass extension switch to 16hz/1 port open or with turbo.

Note: Make sure the bass extension switch is in the correct position. USING THE WRONG SWITCH POSITION CAN DAMAGE YOUR SUBWOOFER AND VOID THE WARRANTY!

Good points Drew. However, note that it is fine to run the subwoofer at lowest port tuning (ie. with port plug or turbocharger) while using the 22Hz amplifier mode. This doesn't pose any danger to the subwoofer. On the other hand, I would NOT recommend running the subwoofer with both ports open without turbocharger while using the 16Hz setting on the amplifier, as this could damage the subwoofer.

Sincerely,

[lradden]

Thanks Peter,
The reason I was wondering about running a HO in 16Hz mode with one port plugged is because I've hadn't heard this option discussed anywhere. I've seen charts that showed in 16Hz mode with turbo the HO is flat down to 12Hz. Would the HO in 16Hz mode without the turbo just loose SPL or does it roll off as it approaches 12Hz?

However, note that it is fine to run the subwoofer at lowest port tuning (ie. with port plug or turbocharger) while using the 22Hz amplifier mode.

Also what would the benefit be of running like this? Would the sub extend lower with the port plug? Would it play louder in this mode with the turbo?

This sub just get more and more flexible all the time:).

[Pete_Hsu]

Thanks Peter,
The reason I was wondering about running a HO in 16Hz mode with one port plugged is because I've hadn't heard this option discussed anywhere. I've seen charts that showed in 16Hz mode with turbo the HO is flat down to 12Hz. Would the HO in 16Hz mode without the turbo just loose SPL or does it roll off as it approaches 12Hz?



Also what would the benefit be of running like this? Would the sub extend lower with the port plug? Would it play louder in this mode with the turbo?

This sub just get more and more flexible all the time:).

Legairre, extension with VTF-3 HO/t versus VTF-3 HO w/ port plug in 16Hz mode will be basically the same. The difference is really clean output, power compression, and turbulence levels near port tuning.

As for the benefits of running the subwoofer in 22Hz mode with turbocharger or port plug, this will result in an overdamped response that starts rolling off sooner than it would when using the 16Hz setting. If one experiences a lot of room gain at the location where their subwoofer is placed, then the overdamped response could be preferred because the actual in-room response will be flatter in the deep bass.

Sincerely,

[spfrancis]

Hi,
I pre-ordered one many months ago, and I really haven't kept up to date on the status, besides seeing that it was backordered. I don't know if I got a order number. Who can I contact to find out when I will get my phonecall?

Thanks.
Sony

[Pete_Hsu]

Dear Sony,

Feel free to give us a call on Monday to inquire about your preorder.

Sincerely,

[xcjago]

Peter, I only ordered a month or so ago. I'm guessing I probably won't make the first shipment. When are you guys expecting another shipment of drivers and amps to come in? Thanks!

[Pete_Hsu]

I'm really not sure yet, xcjago, it's something that I'll have to look into.

[spyboy]

Legairre

My room is 14X18, but is opens to 2 other spaces. As you know, 2 subs makes a real difference.

If I understood Peter correctly, if you are not using the Turbo, and want to run in max extension mode, you need to use a port plug to avoid possibly damaging the woofer. I was surprised to read that.

[Pete_Hsu]

Arthur, this should not be surprising if you think about what happens to a vented subwoofer below the port tuning. If you have a port tuning of ~22Hz, and an amplifier setting that does not begin to roll off the signal until below 16Hz, then there is no subsonic filtering from the amplifier in the 16-22Hz range, which could lead to damage to the subwoofer as the driver unloads below port tuning.

[spyboy]

Thank you Peter, now I understand.

[Pete_Hsu]

My pleasure!

[lradden]

Thanks Peter for answering all my questions, now I just have to wait for my HO. Like I said it a long weekeknd.

[Raptor 22]

Hello all, I just came across this forum today while thinking of updating my sub. I sent in the room and equipment info to HSU and the recommendaqtion I got was the STF 3. When I sent a follow-up about the benefits of going with the VTF vice STF the response I got was "If you do not listen to organ music, the difference would not be great". I thought I might ask you folks that have heard both or might want to share an opinion on this new "HO" instead of the current models shown on the HSU web site. I would have liked the rosewood model for matching but not really a deal killer.


Denon AVR-4306
Klipsch All around
Chorus II.......... Academy.......... Chorus II
RS-7............................................ RS-7
Quartet ...........Academy............. Quartet

Miller & Krisel Sub V-125

[spyboy]

Raptor, the HO will play louder and deeper than the others. More and more DVDs have very deep bass. If you don't do DVD, or organ music, you might be satisfied with the STF-3. Also depends on how big your room is, and how loudly you play your material. If you want a major step up from what you have now, the HO is the ticket. A very reasonable compromise is the VTF-3MKII. This at least gives you the opportunity to get true 18Hz response vs. 16Hz response with the HO.

[Raptor 22]

Thanks for the input spyboy, some more data to digest on the listening area included. I am also wondering if the HO is still being pre-ordered or delivering. Special deals? Anyone out there selling/trading pristine used MKIIs to upgrade?

Room is 18 x 26 finished basement with drywall over cement walls, laminated hardwood over cement floor and drywall ceiling. There is one 4' x 3' cutout entryway open space leading to garage door. The ceiling is stepped from 7' to 8' to 9'. Listening position is about 12' from the front 18' wall. I am able to close off the other three rooms from main. Front mains are 12' apart, side surrounds located 4' behind sofa and l/c/r rear effects are 8' behind. Media is mostly HD satellite movies and DVD with some weekend evening LOUD (90+ db) music from CD, Reel to Reel or turntable played thru front mains and M&K sub with Onkyo P-3060 / M-5060R combination using DBX noise reduction and range expansion as well as Denon EQ when grooving on the 2 channel music. I sprinkle in a little 6 channel SACD/DVD-A with the Denon when I feel the urge.

[lradden]

OK guy since I've been asking a lot of HO configuration questions I have one more. What would happen if I ran the HO in 22Hz mode (max output), but plugged one of the turbo ports. No real reason for asking I'm just curious.

[JimLely]

OK guy since I've been asking a lot of HO configuration questions I have one more. What would happen if I ran the HO in 22Hz mode (max output), but plugged one of the turbo ports. No real reason for asking I'm just curious.

As for the benefits of running the subwoofer in 22Hz mode with turbocharger or port plug, this will result in an overdamped response that starts rolling off sooner than it would when using the 16Hz setting. If one experiences a lot of room gain at the location where their subwoofer is placed, then the overdamped response could be preferred because the actual in-room response will be flatter in the deep bass.

Sincerely,
__________________
Peter Marcks
Hsu Research

[lradden]

Thanks, Jim I read Peter's response earlier, but my question now refers to 22Hz (max output )mode and "plugging a port on the turbo". Peter's reply was to 22Hz mode with turbo or one port on the "sub " plugged. I'm wondering what it would be like to plug a port on the turbo and use 22Hz mode?

Thanks
Legairre

[Pete_Hsu]

Legairre, plugging a port on the turbocharger would result in a port tuning ~12Hz. This would mean that the driver has essentially zero assistance from porting in the frequency range from about 16Hz on up. Power response would suffer, and distortion would be much higher over the common operating bandwith. Also, port cross-sectional area would be cut in half, so if you do encounter a relatively strong signal near port tuning, there is a greater chance for port turbulence-related noise. There should not be any harm in trying it though, it would be interesting to get your feedback on that!

Cheers

[Pete_Hsu]

In case I wasn't clear, note that there isn't really much if anything to gain from using 22Hz amplifier mode with 12Hz port tuning, because the signal will be severely rolled off by then. What I was explaining above is why we didn't choose to support a 12Hz tuning mode. You could try using the 16Hz setting with port plugged in turbocharger just for fun, and report back :D

[lradden]

Nope you were very clear, but that last post did give me some insite to why the Dr. went for a 16 and 22Hz configuration.

Thanks Peter, I just had the thought and figured I might as well ask. Funny thing is I never though of these questions while I had the turbo with the 3MKII. Sounds like the best way to run the HO is exactly as the good Dr. designed it to be played, 22Hz all open or 16Hz w/turbo.

Thanks everyone for putting up with all the crazy questions

[spyboy]

Raptor

That is a big room, 2300 cubic feet. Given that you mostly do movies, you will probably like the HO.

You need to speak to HSU staff about the availability of pre-order pricing as pre-orders are now being filled, but it does not hurt to ask :)

Mint MKII's are always a great way to go. Some people should be upgrading so you may be able to find one or two.

[Pete_Hsu]

As far as I know, we are still offering the discounted price of $799 for VTF-3 HO, and $899 for VTF-3 HO/t. No more 1/2 off shipping though.

I've got to put in another plug for the MBM-12 concept. We've already talked about the flatter mid-bass response and higher mid-bass impact with such a nearfield mid-bass farfield low bass configuration. Also, don't forget that intermodulation distortion is reduced since the mid-bass frequencies are no longer modulated by the low bass frequencies, due to the fact that the low/mid/upper bass workload is not shared by one woofer or woofers. Also, dynamic range is much greater, since the mid/upper bass dynamics are no longer limited by the low bass demands on the subwoofer.

Sincerely,

[lradden]

All good points Peter. I'm thinking about adding two MBM-12s to go with the 3HO/T. In my room I'd put an MBM-12 about 4 feet to the L&R of the listening potition right in between the first and second row with the 3HO/T in the front left corner.

Any idea when the MBM-12 will be available?

Thanks
Legairre

[Hulk]

As far as I know, we are still offering the discounted price of $799 for VTF-3 HO, and $899 for VTF-3 HO/t. No more 1/2 off shipping though.

I've got to put in another plug for the MBM-12 concept. We've already talked about the flatter mid-bass response and higher mid-bass impact with such a nearfield mid-bass farfield low bass configuration. Also, don't forget that intermodulation distortion is reduced since the mid-bass frequencies are no longer modulated by the low bass frequencies, due to the fact that the low/mid/upper bass workload is not shared by one woofer or woofers. Also, dynamic range is much greater, since the mid/upper bass dynamics are no longer limited by the low bass demands on the subwoofer.

Sincerely,

Peter,

When did the 1/2 off shipping end?

[Lwang]

In case I wasn't clear, note that there isn't really much if anything to gain from using 22Hz amplifier mode with 12Hz port tuning, because the signal will be severely rolled off by then. What I was explaining above is why we didn't choose to support a 12Hz tuning mode. You could try using the 16Hz setting with port plugged in turbocharger just for fun, and report back How about getting 2 turbos and plugging the end of one into the other in twin-turbo mode? Do you get 13hz response while still allowing it to run with dual exhaust?

[john.]

We have a three week old baby boy so I don't know when I'm gonna truly get things up and running. I did take some baby steps tonight and had my 2 year old daughter "help" me unpack the HO. Excellent packing guys, double-boxed and well padded indeed. Build quality appears to be exellent and is very similar to my Velo - clean lines and perfectly rounded edges. Very sturdly looking rubber feet as well (although the rubber feet on my velo are quite flimsy!).

I was also surprised at how "small" it is...I was really expecting a behemoth but must say that it's a nice size. I can easily see that adding a second one in a larger room won't be a big deal.

Anyway, to have some sense of comparison, I will probably run my trusty Velodyne CT-150 for another week or so and do some basic measurements and offer some anecdotal impressions - then I'll open the stage to the HO. Looking to Craig and the more techy guys to put up the fancy graphs and what have you. Also hope you single and childless blokes out there can opine a lot faster cause right now I'm knee deep in diapers! :)


Velo ct-150 huh. I had a ct-120 and moving from that to the vtf3mk2 was night and day. A whole different world haha. Yea the velos are a nice sub but I'm sure that HO is gonna blow your mind haha.

[spyboy]

Those 4 inch ports are just huge! I can't begin to use the full potential of my 2 '3HO's!

[lradden]

That's how I'm feeling with the single HO+turbo in a 13x24 sealed room. I just can't make it say uncle. I bet War of the Worlds will make it cry, that movie has got to be the king of bass. I'll have to give it a try.

[spyboy]

But I just LOVE having 2. It creates a "wall of bass" that I just adore.

[spyboy]

L

When you get your 2 MBM's you are going to know exactly what I mean about 2 being better than 1 :)

[tdekany]

L

When you get your 2 MBM's you are going to know exactly what I mean about 2 being better than 1 :)

do you have yours already?

[lradden]

L

When you get your 2 MBM's you are going to know exactly what I mean about 2 being better than 1 :)

Yeah I know what you mean. I once had dual 3 MKII and the wall of bass is just great. I keep saying how strong and effortless the HO feels compared to the 3 MKII. I'd be interested to hear your impresions of the HO subs, I've been enjoying mine and I'm curious how others feel.

[jmprader]

Updated drivers and amps for my twins arrived and were installed yesterday. They worked just fine on the initial "preview", though I can't make any grandiose claims on improved SQ over the prior not-to-spec drivers at this point.

This weekend, after a little more break-in and then some eq tweaking, we intend to ruin the neighbors peace and quiet when cranking it up on a few well known movie segments and some high quality CD/SACD/DVD-A material.

Concurrently, my first IB sub experiment in a second "music only" system should get it's first airtime this weekend, too. Should be an interesting contrast.

I am happy to hear no apparent issues so far. Looking forward to more comments here, as well as some capable reviewers getting their hands on the revised HO's.

[spyboy]

T

Yes, I got my pair set-up last night. Just playing with tunings, first 22, no turbos. Then 16, 1 port plugged. With having 2 of them, it doesn't seem to make much difference, but then again, I have not broken out the HSU CD. I live in an apartment and have to be a little careful.

And yes, I enjoy them and find them very unobtrusive without the turbos. Pretty stelthy in black.

[DrewB]

Velo ct-150 huh. I had a ct-120 and moving from that to the vtf3mk2 was night and day. A whole different world haha. Yea the velos are a nice sub but I'm sure that HO is gonna blow your mind haha.

You're so right, I thought that I had a real subwoofer for all of these years. There really is no comparison. I still want to take the time and setup everything up properly. Might require taking a vacation day.

[Pete_Hsu]

Thank you, thank you, thank you for the compliments gentlemen! Really, we are humbled by the kind words.

[jmprader]

You're so right...I still want to take the time and setup everything up properly. Might require taking a vacation day.

Man Club rules dictate that you do not use the reference of "taking a vacation day" to setup your sub properly.

First, doing so could require your granting equal time off from household and work obligations for your spouse and entail criticism of your decisions on how you spend leisure time. "...this ain't no party, this ain't no disco, this ain't no foolin' around..."

Second, setting up a sub is an arduous task. It is the dirty work, but someone has to do it. It is a selfless undertaking that will benefit the entire family and all who visit your home. The labor of listening and tweaking and listening some more is no walk in the park. Spending hours detecting the subtle differences, the queues and nuances of alternate positions and settings is not to be taken lightly. It requires strength, focus, determination, specialized equipment (meters and software and eq's) and often times, beer.

In the future, please take the time to phrase more carefully , for the benefit of all bassaholics.

If you would like to join others working to get "sub-tweaking" included under "preventative health measures" eligible for using sick leave at work (or the fallback: a listing among eligible activities under the Family Leave Act), please write your Congressman and U.S. Senators to insure your voice is heard.

:D

[cschang]

LOL!!! :D

[Lwang]

It is a vacation day if man is holding the leash instead of being in one. If so, then all he has to do is sit back and tug the leash so as to direct the location the sub is to be lugged to. If one starts hearing wining and wimpering, all he has to do is give a yank on the leash and let the choke collar do its work. Make sure subject comes back to position as footstool if there is no need for it to fetch beer or hold microphone steady.

[eekrat]

Alright everyone, my VTF-HO is being shipped today. I preordered on March 13, order number 06156. Hope this helps those that are still waiting for their call.

[lradden]

eekrat,
Thanks for the update. It's been pretty quiet as far as HO deliveries goes around here for the last week or two. Someone said Hsu received 200 drivers so I wonder if they either received another batch of drivers or it just took time to put together more subs with the first batch of divers. When you get your HO let us know what you think of it.

Nice to hear they're up to mid March.

[eekrat]

I missed the shipping pickup from fedex today, so I am having shipping delayed until next Monday. I want it delivered on a day that I will be home so I will have to be patient. No big deal really as I have already been waiting seven months!
I will certainly give my opinion of the HO once set up and broken in.

[JonnyOzero3]

I was out of town so I haven't gotten around to sending my amp back in. I think i'll do that tomorrow :)

[Pete_Hsu]

Arthur, how about posting some initial impressions of the dual VTF-3 HO/t? How do these compare to other subwoofers that you have had in your home?

Thank you very much

Sincerely,

[lradden]

Yeah come on guys I posted my thoughts how about the rest of you.

[spyboy]

Sure thing Peter.

First though, I would encourage everyone to register their new subs for warranty protection, and transfer. You have 30 days from the date of purchase to register.

I have used 3 different subs prior to receipt of the '3HOs. My first, a Cerwin-Vega HTPWR-12. This sub tested very well by Tom Nousaine, in fact, it came in second only to, guess what?, the Hsu HRSW 12V! The 12V had a measured average output of 106.5 db from 25-50Hz, while the C-V measured 105.9db. The C-V has remote volume and was very, very reasonable in price. Currently in need of repairs to amp, after ~9 years.

I briefly had a B-Stock SVS CS25-31. It didn't get much use as the lack of amp and crossover were a pain. It was inexpensive, however, and in the right setting would have been a good value @ $308.

I traded that in for a B-Stock SVS 20-39PCi for $550. This is a very good sub that I am keeping. Quite comparable to the TN1220.

Now, as to the '3HO's I have not set up the Turbos yet, as I want to see how things go with just the dual '3 HOs. I have them set to max extension, one port plugged. They are about 15 feet apart on my front wall. I can't begin to use the full output of these subs! Using the test CD they produce an eerie rumble, the likes of which I have never experienced!

My girlfriend, who just never comments on anything audio, (except to say "turn it down" http://www.hsuresearch.com/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif, out of nowhere, commented on how good the sound was after I installed the '3HOs!

The only thing that could make my set-up better is a MBM. Yet, I live in an apartment, and I would have to get a signed release from my landlord to use an MBM ):

Kudos to the good doctor, Alan, Candy, and to the good folks who build these fine products.

[greddy09sc]

Sure thing Peter.

First though, I would encourage everyone to register their new subs for warranty protection, and transfer. You have 30 days from the date of purchase to register.

I have used 3 different subs prior to receipt of the '3HOs. My first, a Cerwin-Vega HTPWR-12. This sub tested very well by Tom Nousaine, in fact, it came in second only to, guess what?, the Hsu HRSW 12V! The 12V had a measured average output of 106.5 db from 25-50Hz, while the C-V measured 105.9db. The C-V has remote volume and was very, very reasonable in price. Currently in need of repairs to amp, after ~9 years.

I briefly had a B-Stock SVS CS25-31. It didn't get much use as the lack of amp and crossover were a pain. It was inexpensive, however, and in the right setting would have been a good value @ $308.

I traded that in for a B-Stock SVS 20-39PCi for $550. This is a very good sub that I am keeping. Quite comparable to the TN1220.

Now, as to the '3HO's I have not set up the Turbos yet, as I want to see how things go with just the dual '3 HOs. I have them set to max extension, one port plugged. They are about 15 feet apart on my front wall. I can't begin to use the full output of these subs! Using the test CD they produce an eerie rumble, the likes of which I have never experienced!

My girlfriend, who just never comments on anything audio, (except to say "turn it down" http://www.hsuresearch.com/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif, out of nowhere, commented on how good the sound was after I installed the '3HOs!

The only thing that could make my set-up better is a MBM. Yet, I live in an apartment, and I would have to get a signed release from my landlord to use an MBM ):

Kudos to the good doctor, Alan, Candy, and to the good folks who build these fine products.

You live in an apartment and running 2 HO'S? How do you do that, I can't imagine living in an apartment with one mkII without the neighbors complaining.

[greddy09sc]

Has all the preorder been sent out? I still have not gotten my email informing it is ready to be shipped.

[Pete_Hsu]

Thank you for the great comments, Arthur! I am very glad that you are enjoying your system.

MBM-12 shouldn't bother your neighbors...in fact, it will allow you to turn down your volume levels and still get great impact because of nearfield placement and high levels of direct impact.

Sincerely,

[greddy09sc]

What is a MBM-12? I look through your products and did not see it.

[JonnyOzero3]

It's really only listed in the forum here right now for informational purposes.

http://hsuresearch.com.au/Newproduct.html#New_MBM-12_soon

[JHixson]

I never gave my initial review of my HO as I was having a few technical difficulties, but the service department has been great and everything is ready to go now. I have been without a subwoofer for a few months so it is hard to directly compare the two. I have the HO set in 16 HZ with the turbo and have tried to do a few tests over the weekend. I have listened to a few CDs like Holly Cole and am very happy with the resonse for music. I do not have this thing dialed in and have not moved it to see what affect that might have but it seems very strong to me and I do not remember my old sub moving the coach I was setting on. Initially am very happy and am looking forward to testing it more. Was going to buy an SMS-1 but it sounds so nice I do not know if I want to spend the money.:)

[spyboy]

JHixson

I was thinking about an SMS-1, then realized that the Hsu MBM will do the same thing, and a lot more, for several hundred dollars less.

[JHixson]

I saw the question asked somewhere but I do not remember seeing the answer. Can the sub and the MBM be located together? I have a family room with a kitchen on the other end and right now have the HO to my left on the wall about 4 ft away. So can they both be nearfield or should they be separated?

[Pete_Hsu]

Dear JHixson,

What are the dimensions/layout of your room? Is farfield positioning of subwoofer simply not an option?

There is certainly no harm in running an MBM-12 next to the true subwoofer. You still get much wider dynamic range (since the system is not limited in the mid/upper bass by the low bass demands), lower intermodulation distortion, and a purpose-built woofer ideal for reproducing mid-bass. However, it is advantageous to place the true subwoofer farfield because you can avoid dips in frequency response when a pressure wave move forward and reflect backwards as a second pressure wave moves forward. There are various advantages to both corner placement and nearfield placement, and a nearfield mid-bass/ farfield low bass setup goes a long way towards maximizing all those advantages.

Sincerely,

[cschang]

JHixson

I was thinking about an SMS-1, then realized that the Hsu MBM will do the same thing, and a lot more, for several hundred dollars less.
The MBM-12 is not a replacement for an EQ device.

[Pete_Hsu]

Yes, I agree. There will certainly be reduced room reflections in the mid/upper bass which should flatten out response in this region versus using a true subwoofer to handle low/mid/upper bass (in fact, if you look at most of the in-room frequency response graphs that people have posted, there is almost always some very serious response anomolies in the mid/upper bass, regardless of how loud or low a subwoofer can play). Even so, pretty much everyone will stand to benefit from in-room equalization, even if using the ultra low cost Behringer units.

[JHixson]

Peter my room is odd shaped about 15 x 30 x 9 and bulges out on one side for a breakfast nook. It is also open to other parts of the house with a nine foot sliding glass door on the wall opposite the sub. Due to the size of the room I thought near field would be best solution now, about 4 feet to my left. The listening area really has only one corner in the front right and I might be able to slide the HO in beside the main right speaker, But would have to move the wifes tree and the DVD racks. That end of the room is kind of sectioned off though because the room was framed for a fireplace so the TV sets where the firplace would have been and the mains are on the other sides of the short walls that stick out and was kind of afraid that the sections might act like a horn and make the woofer boomy, but I guess the only way to tell is to try it some day.

[mgoode86]

Has all the preorder been sent out? I still have not gotten my email informing it is ready to be shipped.

I got my VTF-3HO order on October 2 (order 06159). Call Hsu and see if they are close to your order number. This is what I did once I learned order 06156 shipped.

I did not open the box until tonight due to moving into a new house. Man, this is one large sub. The last sub I bought was in 1998 (Energy eXLS 12). I have additioned several subs during this time but never pulled the trigger on one. What a difference 8 years can make. I am not sure the new walls will be standing once I fire this sub up. :eek:

Can't do much auditioning until I finish moving into the new house. :(

Mark

[Pete_Hsu]

Thanks for the description, J. If you have a chance sometime, just draw a quick sketch in MS Paint or some other program so that I can take a quick glance at the room layout, where the couch is located, where the sub is located, etc.

The nice thing about MBM is that it is relatively light and low-cost to ship, so opportunity cost to try the unit is small.

Thanks again!

Sincerely,

Peter


Peter my room is odd shaped about 15 x 30 x 9 and bulges out on one side for a breakfast nook. It is also open to other parts of the house with a nine foot sliding glass door on the wall opposite the sub. Due to the size of the room I thought near field would be best solution now, about 4 feet to my left. The listening area really has only one corner in the front right and I might be able to slide the HO in beside the main right speaker, But would have to move the wifes tree and the DVD racks. That end of the room is kind of sectioned off though because the room was framed for a fireplace so the TV sets where the firplace would have been and the mains are on the other sides of the short walls that stick out and was kind of afraid that the sections might act like a horn and make the woofer boomy, but I guess the only way to tell is to try it some day.

[cyberbri]

Even so, pretty much everyone will stand to benefit from in-room equalization, even if using the ultra low cost Behringer units.


I have a BFD, and have seen the Velodyne system in use. At $100, the BFD is a little more technically complicated, but it is MUCH more flexible than an SMS-1. The SMS-1 has a set of fixed frequencies the user can adjust, while the filters on the BFD can be set to ANY frequency with ANY width of range.

The SMS-1 takes readings automatically and requires using a remote to adjust sliders on a screen at set frequencies, while the BFD will require the user to know what frequencies to adjust and press buttons on the panel. With the BFD, you can always add something like Room EQ Wizard to run on the computer and give the readings automatically. Even buying the equipment/software for that would be a fraction of the cost of an SMS-1, although it takes more technical knowledge.


Personally, I would rather have bass traps and a BFD (which I do) than an SMS-1, even though the learning curve is higher. You could even pick up a BFD, an MBM, and a few bass traps, for the price of a single SMS-1.

If you have the money, the SMS-1 is an easy fix, though. :)

[Hulk]

I just called and was told that it would ship by the end of November. My order number is 6166 :( :eek:

[Pete_Hsu]

I agree with you, Brian! Most definitely, MBM-12 is not a substitute for EQ, nor is EQ a substitute for MBM-12, nor is either a substitute for room treatments, and vice versa. It is beneficial to have all of them :D

[DNelms]

I just called and was told that it would ship by the end of November. My order number is 6166 :( :eek:

If it was order number 666 you could name the sub it 'El Diablo':rolleyes:

[blindcat7]

When did you place your order? I was also told by email that my order should ship around end of November, but have still not recieved an order number. I have no problem with the wait, heightens anticipation and gives me an excuse to not give my Velodyne sub to my younger brother until after he helps me set up my Ascend speakers that should be arriving this week. I would feel better though, if I had an order number to refer to when contacting Hsu. How long does it take to assign them?

Thanks,

Chris