Two VTF3-MK2's or 3HO

[cletus]

So here's the deal. I have 1 VTF3-MK2 in a severely open room with 18' ceiling. At the time I was told I needed 2 VTF3's but didn't want to shell out the $. The sub is great but it does bottom out before I get the response I'm looking for. What's strange is it seems the sub has much more to offer cause I'm only using like 1/4 the amp as recommended. I have tried many different scenarios but it's just maxed out. Question, would 2 VTF3's be better than 1 3HO? I do like the way it hits in max output mode so I don't think the turbo charger would do a whole lot for me by itself. Now that I may be able to get a used or refurbed VTF3 to add, maybe that's the way to go. Just not sure where I'd get the best output. Thanks for any input. And please don't say two 3HO's. http://www.hsuresearch.com/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif

[lradden]

I currently have a single VTF-3 MK2 + turbo(found turbo on ebay months ago). The turbo does add SPL , but not enough to equal having two VTF-3 MK2 subs. Before adding the turbo to the single MK2 I had two VTF-3 MK2 subs in my 13x24 theater and the two subs kick butt. I sold one MK2 months ago when I ordered my HO after I was told it would ship in about 4 weeks, but it didn't ( I don't blame Hsu, things happen that can't be controlled). Since my HO didn't ship I was left with one MK2 and I found a turbo on Ebay new in the box. I've been living with the single MK2 + turbo for a few months now and it's really great. I get a few more SPL, but I do miss the extra punch and the way the two MK2 subs smoothed out the response.

Well long story short I received my HO email today and I'm in the same boat as you. Do I keep my MK2 + turbo and get another MK2 and eventually a turbo when they are available or do I sell the MK2 + turbo and get the HO ASAP? I'm sorry I don't have an answer for you, because I'm trying to decide the same thing as you.

Did you receive your HO email yet?

[cletus]

Thanks for the input. I never even got on the list for the HO. I usually hang out until I get info. from how things turn out. And it has been quite a wait but the VTF3 does a great job. Somehow I don't think I'm alone when I say more is better. And I know it would be awesome in a smaller room.
I did demo the SVS 20-39PC-Plus head to head and prefered the VTF3. I hate to even say that but it's only to say that it's not my setup or placement. I am going to try to place it front firing this weekend maybe. I just read that as well. Thanks!

[lradden]

No problem, nice to hear you choose the MK2 over the 20-39PC+. Hsu subs are VERY musical and hit hard for HT when they need too. One thing I get to do is try the MK2 vs. the HO in different combos(with and without turbos) and see how much better the HO is than the MK2. After that I'm betting I'll sell the MK2 + turbo keep the HO + turbo.

[xcjago]

I've had a similar experience. I compared a PB12+, with the new 12.3 driver, and still preferred the VTF-3 MKII, especially for music.

[spyboy]

I don't have a bias. I would simply say, just looking at the differences. 2 MKII have much more cabinet volume than 1 HO. Twice as much cone area. 700 watts vs. 500 watts. 4 three inch ports vs. 2 four inch ports.

In tests done by Finnish sub tester Illka, twin MKII did 104db @20HZ. Very substantial indeed.

So, I would expect that for most uses, twin MKII will give you more impact than 1 HO. Having said that, if you want response down to 12Hz, an HO + Turbo will give you that, whereas multiple MKII will not.

Also, twin MKII is around $1400 vs. $1000 for 1 HO.

And, for someone who uses maximum output mode, I think the differences weigh even more heavily towards 2 MKII.

My $.02 http://www.hsuresearch.com/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif

[Pete_Hsu]

This is a very good question. Remember that a VTF-3 HO + turbocharger moves as much low-turbulent air (near port tuning) as about FOUR VTF-3 Mk2 without turbo. VTF-3 HO also extends a bit lower than VTF-3 Mk2. In the mid/upper bass, clearly the dual VTF-3 MK2 will have an advantage over a single VTF-3 HO. Also, having multiple subwoofer units gives the potential to smooth out frequency response. However, if one uses an MBM-12 with a VTF-3 HO/t, then the advantage would swing back to the HO in the 50-80Hz range. One way or another, either of these 3 HO or 3 Mk2 products has upgradeable performance characteristics, so you really can't go wrong with either!

[cletus]

Now you've got me thinking. At least I think the MK2 hits low enough for me, but what if I added the turbo charger (or not) and then the MB-12. Would I most likely still need to pressurize the room or would the near field punch make up for the difference? Just for reference the main thing I'm lacking is the in your chest punch.

[spyboy]

Take a look at this:

http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/subwoofer-tests/986-hsu-vtf-3mk2-20-hz.html

In max extension mode, 3db down at 16Hz, outdoors!

I can't tell you if the MBM will give you the punch in the chest as it is for the 50Hz-80Hz range. This is a question that Dr. Hsu is in a position to address.

IMHO, you are not a good candidate for the Turbo as you prefer to run your MKII in max output mode.

I think that adding a second MKII is still your best bet. And, if you could place it nearfield, like you would an MBM, I think you will get that punch in the chest http://www.hsuresearch.com/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif

So, save ~$200 on a Turbo, save ~$400 on the MBM, and just get another MKII and place it next to your seat. Look out!

[TorontoBassHead]

I've got one 1 3 MKII and I find it is enough. My room is substantially smaller though. IMO I would go with the twin MK II setup. Unless you are a huge pipe organ music lover there really isn't alot of material in the 13-15 Hz range. It's more for bragging rights (my sub plays lower than yours) Like Peter said the two sub setup lets you "tune" the subs to your room better and I am more than confident that you'll get that kick in the chest experience.

[lradden]

There's plenty of material in the 13-15Hz range and lower. There's even an entire thread that spans 18 pages dedicated to frequency graphs of movies with bottom dweller bass with some as low as 5Hz.

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/showthread.php?t=130032&highlight=Frequency+waterfall+charts+of+a+few+fami liar+favourites

Movies like:

Matrix Revolutions
Black Hawk Down
Finding Nemo
Lord of the Rings
Star Wars
Terminator 2
The Incredibles
Blade II
Pearl Harbor

and many many more...

[cschang]

One thing that people often forget is that their receivers or pre/pros may not have good response below 20hz......which means the sub may not get a good information down there.

[spyboy]

lradden

That is certainly true, however, the original poster said he prefers to run his VTF-3MKII in Maximum Output mode. IMHO, this does not make him a good candidate for the '3HO or the Turbo, though you could argue that the MBM, for ~$400 might give more impact than a 2nd VTF-3MKII. Still, for the extra $300, he would get more impact from 25Hz-50Hz range. I would still go for a 2nd VTF-3MKII, if it were me.

[lradden]

spyboy I totally agree with you. My comments were in relation to a previous poster that stated:
Unless you are a huge pipe organ music lover there really isn't alot of material in the 13-15 Hz range. It's more for bragging rights (my sub plays lower than yours) .

IMHO having a sub that is a real bottom dweller isn't just for pipe organ music or bragging rights. There's actually content down deep that even if you can't hear it you can still enjoy the tactile feeling.

[xcjago]

So does the VTF-3 HO have anymore output from say 25hz and up than the VTF-3 MKII? It seems like it should considering the new driver and all.

[spyboy]

xcjaco

I can only speculate, however, with a larger box, 150 more watts, new driver, larger ports, it would seem that the HO would have more output across the board.

Peter or Dr. Hsu would be able to provide a definitive answer.

[cschang]

One thing is for sure, because the because of larger porting area, larger enclosure, and more linear driver excursion, the HO is much cleaner at its limits than the MK2.

[lradden]

I agree it should be cleaner at it's limits and it should play a good bit louder. After owning dual 3MKII and a single 3MKII w/Turbo I should be able to hear the improvements in the HO. Mine arrives tomorrow so I'll let you guys know what I hear. I'm very familiar with several bassy scenes that pushed the 3MKII even w/Turbo to it's limits and I'm anxious to see how the HO compares.

[cschang]

If the system was properly calibrated before, and with good headroom, the HO shouldn't play louder when it is properly caliberated.

Ofcourse, that is unless you push it louder.

[lradden]

AVIA calibrated, but yep I definately plan on trying to push it louder to see what it can do.:D

[cyberbri]

Why not add some bass traps and a BFD to eq the sub? You'd probably find you have even more bass just with that, on top of it sounding tighter and faster.

[lradden]

Bass traps look out of are out due to the way they look, but a BFD is possible.

[cyberbri]

You can't fit this (http://www.gikacoustics.com/product_info.html) into your decor (with any color) ?

http://www.gikacoustics.com/images/product/Tritrap2.jpg

Your room is the biggest part of the equation for how your equipment sounds...

[lradden]

Sorry I already have few things that stick out due to compromises I had to make to work around the AC ducts and the lolly columns so I definately don't want any more things sticking out.

[adriankelly]

I actually went with dual VTF-3-MK2 and havnt received the second 3 yet (next week ) but I do still have my VTF2 and my plan is to use this nearfield with a high pass filter set to 50 hz so this should have a similiar effect to the MBM without having to wait . This will be my first dual setup and was looking for suggestions on how to calibrate the subs . My radio shack meter is waiting to be put to some good use and just wanted some tricks , tips , mistakes others have made, things to listen for . ( This stuff is really addictive 3 new subs in 6 months . When will the madness end . Hopefully next week . The better it gets the more I want ) Thanks again , Scott

[lradden]

Scott, big time congrats on the new twins. If you have the Rat shack meter and AVIA first run a splitter for you subs so they are all off the LFE.

The important thing when calibrating multiple subs is to make sure you only have one sub turned on at any time during the individal sub calibration.

1) Calibrate all your speakers(except the subs to 75, 80 85 or whatever dB you like as long as they are all the same)
2) Turn off two of the subs and leave only one on. Calibrate that sub to the same SPL you used to calibrate the speakers.
3) Turn off the sub that you just calibrated and tun on one of the other subs and calibrate it just like you did the first one.
4) Turn of that sub and turn on the last sub and then calibrate it the same as the other two.

At ths point you should have all your speakers and each sub individually calibrated to the same SPL as your speakers. Now turn on all your subs and run AVIA's sub test again, and depending on placement your subs combined will probably be 5 or more dB higher than than the 75, 80 or 85 dB you calibrated them to individually. Use the receivers or pre amps sub level to reduce the sub(s) level until it reads the same as it did when you calibrated the subs individually. At this point all your subs will be producing the same SPL as the rest of your speakers, and because you have multiple subs you can actually turn up your pre amp or receiver's sub level a few dB and run a little hot because you have a lot more headroom.

[adriankelly]

Thanks and I am sure I will enjoy all that these subs have to offer . I have all the cables run I had to use 3 splitters , Avia is brand new and waiting I just recalibrated all the Ascends with the VTF-3 w/ turbo and it sounds amazing . I like 85dbs for calibration and I do run a bit hot on the subs . What do you think of using the VTF-2 as a nearfield impact sub with a high pass filter set to 50 dbs ? Do I really need this to make sure the lower frequency does not impact the 2 ? By the way if anyone in Anchorage Alaska needs a listening session I should be ready by thur of this week . My setup will includes Dual- VTF3-MK2 1- Turbo charger, VTF2-MK2 ( set right behind the couch) Ascend Acoustics 340 SE. Front,Center,Left 4- 170 SE surrounds , along with a HD-dvd player . I cant think of anything else I need ( for now) I never thought I would ever have a 7.3 system . Thanks to all of you for helping me build a system I can truly be proud of , and for a lot less money than I thought possible . I praise Hsu and Ascend every chance I get and will continue to guide people to all of your products. Thanks again to all of you . Scott
PS I just received the Avia and just wondered why they dont make a 7.1 version ?

[cyberbri]

Since you obviously care about the quality and quantity of your bass, it sounds like you're a perfect candidate for a Behringer Feedback Destroyer and some bass traps.

[adriankelly]

Looks like I have some reading to do . I know about bass traps and room treatments , well lets just say I know what they are , and their intended purpose but the Behringer I will have to look that one up . BTW I just calibrated again with AVIA and just with the VTF-3 and 2 and a old ksw 10 nearfield sounds and feels amazing . Still puzzled how to get the last 2 channels calibrated mmmm just not sure on this one , it is probably something silly I just missed .

[lradden]

Looks like I have some reading to do . I know about bass traps and room treatments , well lets just say I know what they are , and their intended purpose but the Behringer I will have to look that one up . BTW I just calibrated again with AVIA and just with the VTF-3 and 2 and a old ksw 10 nearfield sounds and feels amazing . Still puzzled how to get the last 2 channels calibrated mmmm just not sure on this one , it is probably something silly I just missed .

To calibrate the center back surrounds just disconnect the center backs and plug them into the side surrounds on the back of the receiver or amp if you use a pre amp. Then you'll go through the AVIA calibration except this time when AVIA is testing the side surrounds the sound will come out the center backs. Write down the +/- from the receiver's side surrounds and use those figures for the center backs. Remember to write down your original side surround settings so you can put those back in after you're done.

Also Sound Vision's test disk is a version of AVIA and made by the same company as AVIA (Ovation) and has the center back test included whlie AVIA doesn't. http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/home/200/home-theater-tune-up.html

[adriankelly]

That sounds simple enough . BTW when will your website be back up ? And I have noticed in a different posting that you do not like the idea of room treatments , is there something I should know before I try to build some . I would agree if your disagreement is with the price of these things because they are outrageous for what they are , but it looks like it doesn't really cost very much if you are semi handy with simple tools .

[lradden]

Actually I'm very much in favor of room treatments, like acoustic panels and bass traps. It's just that my room has some things I had to work around to make things fit and I just don't want to make anymore changes with bass traps. I'm just trying to balance the décor vs. the sound. The bass in my room is much more even with the HO than with the MK2, the MK2 excited parts of my room due to the higher mid bass that the HO doesn't, so things sound better now.

As for my site the site is up, but if you have your browser or a blocker that doesn't allow scripts to run you probably can't see the navigation links along the top of the page. You could go here http://pages.cthome.net/lradden/ht and just start clicking on any page that's a ".htm" like the Http://pages.cthome.net/lradden/ht/theater.htm. Other wise you'd have to turn off any blockers that don't allow scripts to run .

[cyberbri]

One thing that I noticed with my VTF-3 Mk2, and had it confirmed by frequency response graphs, is that in max extension mode, the mid-bass frequency response is different below 90Hz with the crossover enabled versus disabled.

You can view the test results here:
http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/subwoofer-tests/986-hsu-vtf-3-mk2-20-hz.html


Look at the green line versus the blue line:
http://personal.inet.fi/private/ilkka/shootout3/hsu%20vtf3%20mk2%2020hz%20fr.png

Although I use a BFD anyway (plus bass traps from GIK Acoustics), I have the crossover turned on and set to 90Hz (max).

[JimLely]

One thing that I noticed with my VTF-3 Mk2, and had it confirmed by frequency response graphs, is that in max extension mode, the mid-bass frequency response is different below 90Hz with the crossover enabled versus disabled.

You can view the test results here:
http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/subwoofer-tests/986-hsu-vtf-3-mk2-20-hz.html


Look at the green line versus the blue line:
http://personal.inet.fi/private/ilkka/shootout3/hsu%20vtf3%20mk2%2020hz%20fr.png

Although I use a BFD anyway (plus bass traps from GIK Acoustics), I have the crossover turned on and set to 90Hz (max).


That's to be expected since the low pass filter is attenuating those frequencies which are above the crossover setting. When disengaged there is no filtering.

[jmprader]

Looks like I have some reading to do . I know about bass traps and room treatments , well lets just say I know what they are , and their intended purpose but the Behringer I will have to look that one up . BTW I just calibrated again with AVIA and just with the VTF-3 and 2 and a old ksw 10 nearfield sounds and feels amazing . Still puzzled how to get the last 2 channels calibrated mmmm just not sure on this one , it is probably something silly I just missed .

You are on the right track but scratching the surface.

1. You followed Dr. Hsu's placement recc right?
2. Bass traps are easy...heck I did some DIY's myself (with no juxtaposed thumbs)...and, if sized properly, do some great stuff. PM me, I'll send you info on what I did and where to check out what many others have done way beyond my little project.
3. If you have some big peaks and valleys that are showing up in manual plots using just your AVIA disc and RS meter, the next step is to download Room Eq Wizard (free!), get a Behringer BFD1124 or BFQ2496 ($100-150 with a little shopping) and an external soundcard ($28-40) for your laptop ...then read up a little over at Home Theater Shack about trials and tribulations...then you too can tame the peaks with the Behringer and minimize the valleys by tweaking placement.
4. If you have a few bucks, a very difficult room, want to be a total geek, and/or have no life/wife/kids to worry about you can do like many others: add an ECM8000 calibrated mic (<$50) with phantom power supply(<$50) , an Edirol UM1EX Midi unit (<$40)and some cables and tweek to your heart's content.

Call me a fanboy, but the Dr. makes a great product right out of the box. But your room may change that. Some combination of the above will squeeze almost every nickel of performance the Dr. ordered in virtually any room for a far lower cost than multiple subs. If you have the scratch for multiple subs, well, the tweaking just gets easier.:cool:

[cschang]

I have been thinking about geeking out with the whole RoomEqWizard setup, or trying to get a deal on a SMS-1.

[adriankelly]

Yes I agree DR Hsu gave me the perfect placement for the dual VTF-3 and the 2MK2 , I just wish I could tape the conversations because I get a bit starstruck and loose a lot of the great info I am sure he has given me in the past . I have been reading Ethan Winter's and others on how to build some cheap room treatments ,but if you have something better in mind then please let all of us learn from you , I am sure there a lot of people like me just learning about this great (Sport) of audio nirvana .

[jmprader]

Yes I agree DR Hsu gave me the perfect placement for the dual VTF-3 and the 2MK2 , I just wish I could tape the conversations because I get a bit starstruck and loose a lot of the great info I am sure he has given me in the past . I have been reading Ethan Winter's and others on how to build some cheap room treatments ,but if you have something better in mind then please let all of us learn from you , I am sure there a lot of people like me just learning about this great (Sport) of audio nirvana .

I believe Ethan knows his stuff and he is very helpful. I'm sure his products perform well, though I went DIY. Brian Pape of Sensible Sound Solutions also supplied the raw material (703 fiberglass and acoustical cotton), I think he is teaming up with GIK acoustics to increase their capacity. Brian can "run your room" to recommend trap placements. I didn't go that far and the differences are definitely audible to anyone.

I made corner traps of 703 and acoustical cotton and 703 2x4 panels at first reflection points on side wall and ceiling. Cleaned up a lot of "hash" in hf with the panels and the bass traps helped smooth out FR for my sub, though I still have a problem in the low-mid 30's and, depending on sub placement, in the 60's or 90's. These are nulls, so boosting eq doesn't help.

In the pic, you can see the corner traps with my "retro" Marshall logos on them, the 703 panels on the ceiling and the right side (exposed, but normally behind the curtain).

[jmprader]

Some more info/pic detail on traps/treatments on the Hsu forum is here:

http://www.hsuresearch.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2193&highlight=treatments

fyi, the pic of the rear of the corner trap is before I placed the triangular acoustical cotton wedges behind the fiberglass, so you can see the ease of construction.

edit: here's someone who really went to town with traps/treatments:

http://ibsubwoofers.proboards51.com/index.cgi?board=projects&action=display&thread=1130456806&page=3

[Pete_Hsu]

John, I must say, the black VTF-3 HO/t's really look nice with the rest of your speaker setup!
I am also thinking that one or two MBM-12's would be perfect behind your couch, placed sideways... :)

Enjoy

[DNelms]

John-

That looks like a great place to enjoy music and movies.

How much do you charge for a matinee?:p

[jmprader]

John-

That looks like a great place to enjoy music and movies.

How much do you charge for a matinee?:p

Give me a couple hundred kilo bucks to play with and I can put it to shame.

Admission is free, you have to bear my company, however.:eek:

[jmprader]

John, I must say, the black VTF-3 HO/t's really look nice with the rest of your speaker setup!
I am also thinking that one or two MBM-12's would be perfect behind your couch, placed sideways... :)

Enjoy

Thank you, Peter. My PMC's really work well with the HO's and they do not compress even at the high SPL's the new HO drivers can attain.

Unfortunately for the MBM-12's, there is a second row of recliners just out of the picture. That complicates placement in that location. The SAF will also require several months of lead time (cooling off period) as well...although I had considered adding 2 Mk2's or HO's sans turbos as the "stands" for the rear PMC's...you know, 4 subs are better than 2!

Besides, my son almost created heart palpitations with "The Hills Have Eyes" at reference level last weekend...miserable film suitable only for teenagers, but scary good bottom in several sections. I have yet to turn the airplane over in the sandstorm on FOTP, watch the lightning strikes/machine rising in WOTW and relive sections of LOTR before developing further rationalizations and reopening negotiations for more toys...but I'm sure I will find a way.

edit...

I think we need to return to the subject matter of the thread, I apologize for the tangent!

[Pete_Hsu]

That is definitely important, John, that your mains are very capable. I think you will be in very good shape as is. Once again, great system!!!

Sincerely,

[adriankelly]

Oh my, I received my second VTF-3 today and took the day off to play . I had everything set up ready to go and within 5 minutes I was calibrated and playing with Constantine on HD-DVD with TRUE-HD sound . Not the greatest of movies but it does have a lot of competent LFE that really sounds fantastic . The dual VTF really adds substantial earthshatteringkaboom and smoothly able to recreate the LOTR even the difficult sections that had troubled me before . With the VTF-2 lying on its side with woofer against the rear of the couch it reminds me of the airshow I recently went to when the blue angels sneak up behind the crowd to scare everyone . Needless to say I have never experienced anything like this before at a theater, concert, or any of the home systems I have been lucky to audition . Man I hope the MBM will give all of you a similar experience and if it is even close I highly recommend this set up . Now to go find all of the buzzes of my room . Even the loose change on my coffee table was shaking . Now to enjoy my new toys . Thanks to DR HSU for the placement help , the nearfield strategy , and the most amazing sound I could ever afford . Again Anyone in Anchorage , Alaska wants to give a listen . Feel free to ask .

[adriankelly]

I am just curious now . What would be the advantages of the new MBM vs a VTF2 MK2 with the highpass filter set to 50 and it is nearfield lying on its side .

[cletus]

Well, since this original post it sure sounds like I need (want) to upgrade. It's hard to give cu. ft. with all my open areas but it's close to the 5k range with the 18' ceiling. Thing is my listening area is rather small though.
Can you guys give me an idea what I can get for my VTF3-MKII? In order to get the 3HO I can't give it away.
By the way, thanks for all the great info. Although it may not be answered directly it seems to me like the 3HO will be the choice over 2 MKII's. Especially with the option coming for an MBM-12. If I am not getting the right impression feel free to chime in. Thanks!

[lradden]

cletus,
After owning dual VTF-3 MK2 and now the HO w/turbo I say go for the HO. The dual MK2 are a serious combo and here's the kicker. Months ago in another thread I disagreed with individuals that said the HO should outperform dual VTF-3 MK2 subs. Now after owning the HO I have to eat crow and admit I was wrong. The HO is in a completely different league. You do loose some mid and upper bass with the HO and the MK2 combo clearly wins in this category, but the HO just does everything else so effortlessly that it's hard not to side with the HO. Especially when you consider an HO/MBM-12 combo will give you the best of both worlds. The HO really is that good. Mine shipped with the new driver and amp so I don't know what the original HO was like but this new HO is a beast in my 13x24 basement theater.

[cletus]

Thanks for the info. Iradden. I have to say that's great to hear and it makes since to me. I think the MBM-12 in theory sounds perfect and I hope it plays out. Now I have to see what I can get for my MKII. http://www.hsuresearch.com/forum/images/smilies/frown.gif Thanks again!

[lradden]

Thanks for the info. Iradden. I have to say that's great to hear and it makes since to me. I think the MBM-12 in theory sounds perfect and I hope it plays out. Now I have to see what I can get for my MKII. http://www.hsuresearch.com/forum/images/smilies/frown.gif Thanks again!

How old is your MKII? Mine were both about a year old, pm me if you want to know what ($) each one sold for on ebay. Also do you have the original boxes?

Don't worry the VTF-3 MKII is in demand and goes quick on ebay.

[adriankelly]

My wife has to be the most understanding women on the planet . In the past 8 months she has given me permission to get a VTF2 (she really thought it sounded good in our condo) then we moved in to our home she said (you can get a bigger one now if you want ) so I got a VTF-3 she said amazing sound but can you get another one to make it look even up front . Well sure honey it will look much nicer with 2 up there . And now she was sitting by me as I was reading this forum and said (all of those guys seem to really like that HO thing maybe you should get one of those too . So I ordered one at the end of september and just got the e-mail that my order would get processed by the end of this week . Oh almost forgot she let me get a 7 channel Ascend system too , so my question is has anyone tried to integrate all these subs at once ? I did get a turbo and a high pass crossover (trying to emulate what the MBM does with the VTF-2 nearfield ) and the 2 VTF-3 are up front so what can be done with the HO ? Trust me I do know how lucky I am . Thanks again for all who have helped in making my decisions easy . Scott

[RonL]

adrian,

Considered a Velodyne SMS-1 or a similar sub equalization device?

[adriankelly]

I am in the process of researching the bass traps effects and hopefully can make these myself as for the bass eq's go it seems like most people do bass traps first then add eq later if still needed . If anyone has a less expensive route then I would love to hear it .

[adriankelly]

Here are the dual VTF3-mk2,s upfront. The left with turbo added.
And the VTF2-mk2 nearfield with the driver facing the couch.
3-340 SE across the front.
4-170 SE for surrounds.

[DNelms]

Looks great! How does is sound?

I am currently is the process of experimenting with 2 VTF-3s. One is a MKII and one is an older model. In fact one has the BASH amp and the other does not. My room is much smaller than yours too. However I am not looking for overwhelming bass but I am looking for smooth, deep bass. Bass that I hve been missing in other recordings ect.

When I get the musicality (is that a real word?) established, I plan on seing what I can do with the 2 for HT. I have them both set for one port plugged (I can never remember if that is max extetion or excursion, anyway....) so I am hoping to hear and feel some low bass (looking for <18htrz). We will see what happens.

Unfortunately, due to my current financial situation getting a HO is out of the question.:o And that sub is great! That being said, you would have to pry my VTF-3R out of my 'Cold dead hands!' I love this sub.