Pics of what my VT-12 'layout' will be - opinions?

[nicko]

Hi,

Here some images of what I think is the best configuration for my VT-12.

What do you think?

I'm sort of limited by the furniture, room organization, doors, projector, and the WAF factor! :o

I hope to get some 'professional' opinion about this, from you guys.

Thanks in advance

Andre B.

[nicko]

Front view:

[nicko]

Another.

This is the Rear view:

[DavidD]

Based upon some of Sasha and/or Dr. Hsu's comments in the past, I think you might have better performance with the front speakers a little higher.

[nicko]

yep

I was afraid of that!

But that table is so short...

And I don't have the chance to pass cables inside the wall, as I can in the wall behind the sofa, that´s why I puted the rears speakers, high.

I could try put the FL and FR in stands. But the big central... I don't seam to have any idea as to bring it higher without compromising seeing wires!

What is essencial to be higher; the front satelites or the central speaker? Both, right?

AB

[nicko]

Could I just tilt all this frontal speakers a bit?

AB

[DavidD]

Dr Hsu's advice on placing the speakers (look about halfway down the page):

http://www.hsuresearch.com/forum/showthread.php?t=306

My advice is to ask the Hsu folks if you want more information.

[nicko]

Thaks DavidD,

That seams to answer my previous question exactly! And by Dr Hsu, himself! :)

What about the rear satelites? Aren't they to high? And, of course, to close to wall/sofa?

AB

[Retread]

Could I just tilt all this frontal speakers a bit?

AB

One of the problems with this type of discussion is that it's all so highly subjective, and we are operating with very (very) limited data on the systems involved. Specifically, the VT-12s have small cone tweeters. Cone tweeters have general dispersion properties, but we don't have any specific data on these. We also don't have any quantitative data on the effects of various placements -- just the subjective advice that certain placements may "sound better." In what way better? How much better? I haven't seen it.

I have a room that's about 15' wide by 35' long, with some irregularities in the walls. The room has 10' ceilings with 4" x 12" wooden beams across the short dimension about every four feet. The (100" diagonal) screen is on one end of the room, and our general viewing area is about 14' back from the screen. I've got my VT-12 satellite speakers on stubby mounts on the beams all around (the rears are about 8' behind), angled down and in toward the primary listening area. My front-center speaker is hanging barely below the beams so they are in the 12" black screen drop. My VTF-3R is all the way back in a corner, which turned out to be the loudest location when the sub was placed at the viewing point.

I don't profess to have "golden ears," and I measure a significant hole in the response at 87 Hz, but it sounds really good on movies.

Separate issue: I was noticing that you have a fairly large screen. There's a criterion that the minimum viewing distance is about 1.5 screen widths. That's a minimum, with 2.0 screen widths being optimal. When viewing distance is too short, the eye/brain does not integrate the picture, and all the display artifacts intrude.

[nicko]

One of the problems with this type of discussion is that it's all so highly subjective, and we are operating with very (very) limited data on the systems involved. Specifically, the VT-12s have small cone tweeters. Cone tweeters have general dispersion properties, but we don't have any specific data on these. We also don't have any quantitative data on the effects of various placements -- just the subjective advice that certain placements may "sound better." In what way better? How much better? I haven't seen it.

I have a room that's about 15' wide by 35' long, with some irregularities in the walls. The room has 10' ceilings with 4" x 12" wooden beams across the short dimension about every four feet. The (100" diagonal) screen is on one end of the room, and our general viewing area is about 14' back from the screen. I've got my VT-12 satellite speakers on stubby mounts on the beams all around (the rears are about 8' behind), angled down and in toward the primary listening area. My front-center speaker is hanging barely below the beams so they are in the 12" black screen drop. My VTF-3R is all the way back in a corner, which turned out to be the loudest location when the sub was placed at the viewing point.

I don't profess to have "golden ears," and I measure a significant hole in the response at 87 Hz, but it sounds really good on movies.

Separate issue: I was noticing that you have a fairly large screen. There's a criterion that the minimum viewing distance is about 1.5 screen widths. That's a minimum, with 2.0 screen widths being optimal. When viewing distance is too short, the eye/brain does not integrate the picture, and all the display artifacts intrude.
Hi Retread,

You are absolutly right, at some time we tend to get paranoid!

I live in Portugal, and the speakers are in the way here, as we speack (I hope), so in the meanwhile I start divagating a bit. Bear with me. At least till they're here! :)

As for the viewing distance from screen, it's more than 2.0 the screen width (in its maximum zoom, so that number could be higher) so it's still far from 1.5 limits... Is a confortable size. There're lot of people enjoying seating close to the screen, you just have to go to a theater near you and see that. As for me, like big screen, but allways tend to seat more at the back of the theater. So that's fine for me.
But before it would be really unconfortable, as you said, SDE (screen door efect) would come in the 'picture' and spoil all the fun. This is really an issue in modern digital front projection.

Well, a bit of topic! :D

I really just have to wait them to arrive, and then I'll post again for some 'real' conversation.

AB