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View Poll Results: Where do you set your sub crossover at on your Reciever
120 Hz 7 3.66%
100 Hz 18 9.42%
80 Hz 128 67.02%
Below 80 Hz 38 19.90%
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Old March 16th, 2005, 5:47 PM
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Where do you set your crossover at, on your reciever?

Where do you set your crossover at?

I just wanted to see if any of you guys experimented with the crossover setting on your "Reciever" for your sub and where do you leave it at....

I normally leave mine on 80hz but noticed on some movies it seems to give slightly more and better bass at 100hz...I guess I will use the 100hz for movies and 80hz for music but wanted to see what everyone else was setting theres on...

Also list what sub you have...I have a VTF3-MKII

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Old March 16th, 2005, 6:01 PM
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Mine is an old Pioneer 509 VSX 5x100watts with DD/DTS decoder which can also accept 5.1 Analog Inputs for SACD/DVD-A playback. I have 3 different settings 100hz, 150hz and 200hz for the LFE frequency.

Pionner recommends setting it to 200hz for small speakers configuration in its manual (this seems to be contradictory to me) but I set it to 100hz. I wish the receiver could have variable frequency settings because I would like to be able to set it lower than 80hz and not at 100hz. But I have to live with what I have. It will be one of my requirement in future receiver purchase.

So far I have no complains!

Sub is VTF-2 Mk2.

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Old March 17th, 2005, 6:18 AM
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Just out of curiosity, to whoever voted the frequency below 80hz, which brand name of receiver allows you to set it? Thanks!

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Old March 22nd, 2007, 12:23 PM
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Just out of curiosity, to whoever voted the frequency below 80hz, which brand name of receiver allows you to set it? Thanks!

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my sony str975 allows down to 60Hz
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Old March 22nd, 2007, 3:40 PM
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My Pioneer VSX-72 allows down to 40hz, but I use 80hz
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Old April 4th, 2007, 5:44 AM
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Mains rated to 28Hz

If my mains are rated to 28Hz, should I keep my receiver at 80 or move it lower?


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Old April 4th, 2007, 12:12 PM
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Looks like your mains are fairly capable. I would try 60hz and see which one you like better.
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Old April 4th, 2007, 12:44 PM
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If my mains are rated to 28Hz, should I keep my receiver at 80 or move it lower?
Thanks,
Yep give 60Hz a try. One way to judge a good spot for your crossover is to set the crossover one octave higher than the extension of the speakers. For 28Hz that would be 56Hz so 60Hz should be great. Setting the crossover at least one octave above the speakers extension leaves room for rolloff since we know crossovers slope and drop off gradually and not just all at once. My mains go down to 30Hz and I run a 60Hz crossover and the sub and mains blend better than at 80Hz in my system. Give it a try the main thing is not to set it too low, because that could damage your speakers during big action movies like WOTW, so I wouldn't go lower than 60Hz.
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Below 80 HZ

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Just out of curiosity, to whoever voted the frequency below 80hz, which brand name of receiver allows you to set it? Thanks!

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I use 60 hz on a Marantz SR 5005 , I have Kef LS 50 & recently acquired VTF-15H MK2
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What is the best crossover?

I've changed it from 60-100hz and can't tell a difference unless I go lower and you then you don't notice much coming out of the sub.
What material is best to try to hear a difference in the crossover movies, music?
What do you look for while listening?
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Old March 17th, 2005, 6:26 AM
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My receiver (Panasonic SA-XR70) has crossover settings of 100Hz, 150Hz, and 200Hz. But I run my main speakers (set to "Large") through my STF-2 and set the sub's crossover to 70Hz. It sounds great this way.

Since I listen to two-channel stereo 90% of the time, I prefer this setup. If I did more HT, I would definitely use the receiver's 100Hz crossover.
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Old March 17th, 2005, 7:04 AM
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tafguy...my old HK 525 let you set the crossover as low as 40Hz, and so does my current Sherwood/Newcastle P-965 pre/pro.
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Old March 17th, 2005, 7:31 AM
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I don't have one (I voted 80 Hz) but the new Yamahas, Onkyo and Denon all allow crossovers below 80. There are others as well, but I am not as familiar with them. Not sure about all the entry level models, but you don't have go very far up the line these days to get that feature.

Gotta love the trickle down effect - recievers keep getting better.
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Old March 17th, 2005, 8:06 AM
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I have mine just set to 80hz.

I just set up my B&K at the THX standard with all speakers set to small, sub at 80.

I have a VTF-3R. (I love it!)
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Old March 17th, 2005, 9:20 AM
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Thanks cschang and Dudley for receiver's info!.

And you're right, manufacturers of today's receiver are better to go to that direction of allowing consumers that nice feature for better fine-tuning. For 2.1 mode, I like to be able to lower that LFE cutoff frequency of 80hz further down, not that I'm against with THX specified norm which is perfect for a type of application like the Vents which has its center channel lowest frequency response down to 80hz but for other speakers which are bass capable eg. freq resp of 50hz, that high frequency like 80hz or above lead to directional perception. 100hz is average, 80hz is good and lower is excellent, at least in my own opinion.

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Old March 17th, 2005, 10:33 AM
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I have set my to 51hz via Hsu's 500w amp. But the Meridian processor allows me to set it it from 30-120hz of freq in 1hz resolution.
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Old March 17th, 2005, 3:16 PM
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I have set my to 51hz via Hsu's 500w amp. But the Meridian processor allows me to set it it from 30-120hz of freq in 1hz resolution.
Lwang, from your frequency cut off setting to 51hz, may I ask what kind of main speakers you have and what are their frequency response? I would guess they can reach lower than 50hz. That Meridian processor of yours allows you to do increment/decrement cutoff of 1hz is really nice.

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Old March 17th, 2005, 7:34 PM
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tafguy,

I have the Magnepan MG-3.6/R, with a freq resp of 34hz-40khz. Since they are dipole planar, which loads the room very differently than enclosure based woofers. That is why I am going as low as possible on the crossover freq in order to preserve the sound of the maggie bass.

I don't use the Meridian's crossover because it follows THX's crossover scheme of 2nd order HP and 4th order LP. The crossover in Hsu's amp is 4th order HP and LP.
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Old March 23rd, 2005, 1:29 PM
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I use the 51 hz crossover point through the 500 watt amp. I set my receiver to no sub and large main speakers. I use the high pass between my amp and the Hsu amp. I've read several places that doing it this way (not using the LFE output) does not limit the bass in DD or DTS. In any case, for me that's the way it has to be set up.
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Old April 12th, 2005, 3:51 PM
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The affordable new A/V Receiver TX-SR503 from Onkyo is worth to check out allowing different LFE signal cutoffs at 60, 80, 100, 120 or 150Hz. Driving the Vents can not be better at the price of $300.

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http://www.soundstageav.com/audiovideonews.html
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I've tried different setups for crossovers. Ascend 340s (rated down to 55hz) fronts, and Ascend 200s rears.

The latest setting was 60hz (using HK635). My center channel is sitting on a shelf in a cabinet, and I think there's some cabinet buzz/rattle at lower frequencies. I have an Auralex MoPAD on order to isolate the center speaker from the cabinet.

I imagine the base localizes a little better at 60Hz than at 100hz. I watched "House of Flying Daggers" last night, turned up loud, and when the horses are galloping across the room, the bass was tracking the sound pretty well!
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Since this is over a year old, I wanted to see what some of the newer responses were and for those lucky few with the HO could respond too


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Since this is over a year old, I wanted to see what some of the newer responses were and for those lucky few with the HO could respond too


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I have twin turbos. I have PMC IB1s for mains. They are a TL design with good response below 40hz (30hz is about the practical limit) and excellent, "tight" bass. Like most of the PMC line, they can play very loud and clean. I have the xover set at 40hz. I may try a slightly higher xover in conjunction with some relocation experiments, but with my current locations, the sub interactions are causing a big null at the seating position at 60hz, the IB1s seem to smooth this out considerably.
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I have twin turbos. I have PMC IB1s for mains. They are a TL design with good response below 40hz (30hz is about the practical limit) and excellent, "tight" bass. Like most of the PMC line, they can play very loud and clean. I have the xover set at 40hz. I may try a slightly higher xover in conjunction with some relocation experiments, but with my current locations, the sub interactions are causing a big null at the seating position at 60hz, the IB1s seem to smooth this out considerably.

those PMC's need a lotta juice but when supplied they will crank out the volume, by design they have very quick bass to 40hz, you have to crossover those at 40hz which I think is ideal anything above that would muddy the sound. that design is about ten yrs old, when you buy them?(excellent monitor)
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  • 80 Hz crossover setting
  • B&K Ref 31 pre/pro
  • 2ea. VTF-3HO's w/turbos
The B&K will allow just about any crossover setting.
Things may change with the introduction of an MBM-12, though......we'll see.
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Since this is over a year old, I wanted to see what some of the newer responses were and for those lucky few with the HO could respond too


Thx,
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I have the VTF-3HO Turbo with Ascend CBM-170s (classics) and a classic CMT-340 center. I run 80Hz from my AVR-435.

I just wish the HK didn't have a high pass filter at 15hz with the auto-eq enabled....the response drops off really fast there and I think I'd get good in-room extension to 12hz without it. Oh well.
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I have the Pioneer 1014 and my crossover has been on 50hz for a long while. Well, I went back to 80hz a few days ago. With 80hz it seems like I'm getting too much bass from too many scenes that shouldn't be that low or loud. Not sure if that makes sense. Anyway, I will be be trying 50hz again shortly.
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This may change when Dr Hsu introduces the MBM-12......
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Old June 24th, 2006, 10:28 PM
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Maybe the crossover will change. It might not as well.
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When you change the crossover, you may need to calibrate again. Also, you maybe getting added bass reinforcement due to the placement of your main speakers.

Are your mains set to small?
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Old September 25th, 2006, 6:48 AM
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Curtis, I assume that you are addressing me. That's a really great point to re-calibrate...I did not think of that. Yes, my mains are set to small.
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Yup...all you buddy!

Also, in my room I play around between 60 and 80hz. I one point, due to where my mains were, at 60hz things sounded a little boomy. Just changing placement a few inches changed that.
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I voted for 80hz, but then realized that I actually have my Yamaha RX-V2400 set to a 60hz crossover with my VTF3-HO. Oops!
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depends on -3db point for mains, i'm at 60hz
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Where do you set your crossover at?

I just wanted to see if any of you guys experimented with the crossover setting on your "Reciever" for your sub and where do you leave it at....

I normally leave mine on 80hz but noticed on some movies it seems to give slightly more and better bass at 100hz...I guess I will use the 100hz for movies and 80hz for music but wanted to see what everyone else was setting theres on...

Also list what sub you have...I have a VTF3-MKII

Thx,
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My pre/pro is adjustable from 120hz - 40 hz in 20db increments...I like 60 hz x-ver setting. My mains are set to large as they go into the 20's themselves with the woofers being biamped, center set to small which gets crossed over at the 60hz, and surrounds set to large as they are 8in in ceiling rated to mid 40's hz. So only the center is being cut off at/about 60hz...the rest are producing full range as designed. The idea to set spkrs to small vs large is really about the burden on your amp's and/or how well the mains blend w/ the sub keeping in mind that subs work best down low. I cringe at the suggestion of setting all my speakers to small and send all predetermined freq's to sub by the x-over setting chosen. Why waste that upper bass, lower mid bass punch when it is the mains providing that punch. Bottom line is try what sounds best in your setup. My multi ch amp is only driving the mids- up. I think many people x-over the mains to sub too high and it sounds full but boomy rather than deep/tight/quick.
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My pre/pro is adjustable from 120hz - 40 hz in 20db increments...I like 60 hz x-ver setting. My mains are set to large as they go into the 20's themselves with the woofers being biamped, center set to small which gets crossed over at the 60hz, and surrounds set to large as they are 8in in ceiling rated to mid 40's hz. So only the center is being cut off at/about 60hz...the rest are producing full range as designed. The idea to set spkrs to small vs large is really about the burden on your amp's and/or how well the mains blend w/ the sub keeping in mind that subs work best down low. I cringe at the suggestion of setting all my speakers to small and send all predetermined freq's to sub by the x-over setting chosen. Why waste that upper bass, lower mid bass punch when it is the mains providing that punch. Bottom line is try what sounds best in your setup. My multi ch amp is only driving the mids- up. I think many people x-over the mains to sub too high and it sounds full but boomy rather than deep/tight/quick.

I run all of my speakers at "Large" with my LFE at 80 hz and the reciever sub setting as just "Yes" and not "Plus" (double bass, LFE and main bass through the subs). I will use the plus though if I feel that the bass is lacking on the LFE.

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I'm struggling with the Hz setting on my Onkyo TX-SR606 and I hope someone can help me out.

I have Mirage nanosats for my front speakers with a frequency at 100 Hz-20 kHz (+/- 3db). My subwoofer is the HSU STF-2 with a volume position at 12 o'clock. I have placed the subwoofer nearfield under my end table near the wall (for WAF).

I have my speakers at the "small" setting and the automatic Audyssey settings selected the following Hz for the rest of the speakers:

FL: 120 Hz
CC: 150 Hz
FR: 120 Hz
BR: 120 Hz
BC: 120 Hz
BL: 120 Hz

My question is what setting should I have for my subwoofer? The Mirage Nanosat manual recommends setting it at 120 Hz, but I am getting some sound localization at that setting. Is it ok to set at 80 Hz for the sub and have the 20 Hz gap?

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Talking crossover confusion

When I set up my system, I used my receiver's set-up program and it came up with some strange settings. It had my sub as a 10 inch, and it also had most of my speakers set to large, and the distances set all wrong. I went through the setup program manually after that and changed everything to what I thought would sound right, with the help of the manual. I of course bypassed my sub's crossover, and changed all the speakers settings to small and set the crossover to 80hz. It now sounds pretty darn good. When I compare the settings between the manual settings that I put in and the receivers settings using the microphone and set up program, they sound pretty close. I was shocked. Go figure.

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When I set up my system, I used my receiver's set-up program and it came up with some strange settings. It had my sub as a 10 inch, and it also had most of my speakers set to large, and the distances set all wrong. I went through the setup program manually after that and changed everything to what I thought would sound right, with the help of the manual. I of course bypassed my sub's crossover, and changed all the speakers settings to small and set the crossover to 80hz. It now sounds pretty darn good. When I compare the settings between the manual settings that I put in and the receivers settings using the microphone and set up program, they sound pretty close. I was shocked. Go figure.

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At least they sounded comparable! Sometimes the manual settings will end up sounding much better than the auto settings
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I currently run mine at 80Hz because no matter how many settings i tried and my Integra DTR-10.5 will allow down to 40Hz and the Paradigms V3 100's start to sign off at that point its just the VTF-15H handles all the frequencies 80Hz down with ease and more authority. Which in turn helps the dynamic headroom of the AVR handling frequencies 80Hz and up.
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80 hz crossover with 4 Submersives subs.
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